Cam: 0:01

you're listening to the brain freeze podcast. Each week we break down health and wellness neuroscience principles so you can apply them easily and effortlessly to create a life you're proud of welcome back to the brain freeze podcast. We got a another banger for you. I got Brock here. Cam always Brock. Good to see you, man.

Brock: 0:27

Good to be here. I'm excited for this one.

Cam: 0:29

I got two in a row. It hasn't been all summer since I've done two podcasts in a row, I know.

Brock: 0:34

It's because we're switching gears a little bit on the podcast. It's been amazing to have guests and hear their stories and learn from them and be able to have those experiences. But also we want to get back to teaching and getting back into really learning and understanding those behavioral neuroscience principles so you can apply them easily and effortlessly.

Cam: 0:57

Maybe we should make you the intro there.

Brock: 0:59

My voice is not smooth enough.

Cam: 1:03

Yeah, no, I 1000%. And I know there's been a ton that you've learned, that we've implemented with clients and we want to share it here, that we haven't shared over the summer a lot. I mean, that's the thing. Nothing changes. Nothing changes, and especially with our work and as we innovate and as you try new things with our clients and helping them hit their goals and becoming a force no one can ignore, like you're going to improve your techniques, you're going to improve the things that you're working and you know just, we're going to get better so we want to share that.

Brock: 1:34

Geez. Well, over the last summer, man, can you? Can you remember where we were last april? Like the things that we've learned, the experiences that we've had is it're in a whole nother ball game, and so you know, it's interesting to get back into that.

Cam: 1:47

Well, you know, maybe I should go and listen to one of our our podcasts in the past and see and look at those idiots. They're so naive. But no, it would be funny to go back and listen to, like our first one ever.

Brock: 2:01

Well, yeah, we're almost. We were over a year podcasting and they do say, if you're not embarrassed at who you were a year ago, you didn't grow enough. And I and I think we've hit that Like really. I mean, the principles that we taught in those first episodes were very powerful and I still use them all the time, but that doesn't mean that there hasn't been so much more to learn. You know that that evolution doesn't stop and hasn't stopped, and there's new books, new learnings, new experiences, a whole Ironman block of training, of learning. You put 300 hours into an Ironman. That's a lot of books and it's great to have those experiences. So I'm excited to kind of shift gears and come back into this.

Cam: 2:40

Yeah, and we also are shifting gears in how we do this podcast a little bit. We're going to switch it up, we're going to do some different segments, and so we're going to walk through some of those today. I'm really excited and this will continue to innovate. So first thing that I want to talk about is let's give an update of neuromastery. What's going on with neuromastery? Yeah, I mean, do you want to start or do you want me to start?

Brock: 3:05

Oh well, I'll start with the Neuromastery. I mean, Neuromastery is alive and thriving, right. We have clients that are making big moves every single day. We have five guys that signed up for their first 100K and so they will be running an ultra marathon here come in April and so they're all starting to train. I've been out on the trails with them, helping them get in the miles. I'm preparing their training logs and working with them on the mindset when they're in my office, and that's been an amazing experience and so that's a huge one.

Brock: 3:33

We'll have some guys running Utah Valley again, it sounds like, because we're at the end of the year. So we're kind of in that goal setting phase where it's like what's this next year going to look like for us, and you know? So that's a big update. Another one is we just finished up the last Connect and Conquer at Ash and Ice and dude. Those just fill my soul after every single one, by just the incredible people that you're able to get to know there and the experiences, the things you learn and also the connections you have afterward. Those guys, man like I could reach out to almost any single one of them and they would want to be able to like do business, work together, grab lunch, talk or even just be there for you late, late at night If you just like need someone to support you. It's. It's that kind of group and it's so cool to to be able to experience that. So that's kind of my update of where I'm at, but it's, it's been cool to be a part of that lately.

Cam: 4:22

It's been cool to be a part of that lately. I look at those Connect and Conquer as a transformative treat. It transforms you. Doing the contrast therapy is not easy. It's going to stretch you, but it's such a treat Just being there with everyone communicating. The cool thing about the Connect and Conquer is that one thing that I want to mention is they're they're being completely fueled by mountain ops now we gave away like 20, a huge, like 20 mountain ops supplements right, one of them was a huge duffel bag, yeah, and a 300 jacket and a 300.

Brock: 4:56

Well, really, oh yeah, I didn't see that, dude.

Cam: 4:58

It was like a nice puffer jacket yeah, so you're gonna, by coming to those, uh sign up for the connecting conquers um, and being a part of that, I mean you're going to, by coming to those, uh sign up for the connect and conquers um, and being a part of that, I mean you're going to get some awesome supplements for mountain ops and maybe a $300 puffer jacket.

Brock: 5:12

No, trevor said, and it's only going to go bigger and better.

Brock: 5:15

It's like, I think, our next one we don't have a date on it yet, but it's going to be this miles for meals, and so, basically, we're going to run a mile and you give away a mil, because mountain ops is big on the conquer, hunger where they're give it.

Brock: 5:26

They've given away over seven million meals, and so they're going to continue to do that, and we want to do an event together where we bring people and you know, maybe we'll bring a mobile sauna or something and make it fun and run some miles and give away some meals and have some cool networking there. You know, it was so awesome, though, to also see the Neuromastery community inside of that community, because they're kind of two separate and they were all talking in the sauna, and you have one of them goes I'm down 60 pounds and another one goes I'm down 30, and another one goes I'm down 40. And just to hear that in the sauna and to see the progress they're making and in their mindset as they're the ones in the sauna, like telling people all these things they're doing and how they're feeling about themselves and how their mindset has changed, it's so amazing to be able to watch that on the greater whole. And then now they're offering it to other people as they're in the sauna. They're the ones teaching.

Cam: 6:18

And it's like, oh man no, it's, it's, it's amazing.

Cam: 6:22

So and maybe people don't know this that are listening we have a lot going on and we're doing a lot of experiences. So the Connect and Conquer is just a monthly event that people can pay for and come and just be a part of. It's just an event series where we do different mindset, social, spiritual and physical type of transformative experiences, neuromaster. We also have our private events where those that are signed up for our coaching we get together as a private community. It's more intimate. These experiences are a little bit bigger and more grander in a way, and we're able to do similar things that we do in the Connect and Conquer, but on a private level.

Cam: 7:02

Yeah, so what's coming up from neuromastery and this is actually one of our fit, my favorite, and we actually did this in high school and I think we probably talked about this last year. Uh, we did this as a football team, but one thing that we're, that we're carrying on from that that into now is as a neuromastery group and anyone can donate and participate. But we actually as a neuromastery group and anyone can donate and participate, but we actually as a neuromastery group, receive a family from an organization here in Utah County for a family that needs a sub for Santa and we get a shop list of what they want, what they're looking. We actually call the mom or the parents and say, hey, what is it that your kids want? We create a shop list and then we go as a group and we go and buy the gifts. We wrap the gifts and then we go and, uh, well, we get, we. They take most of the gifts to be from santa, but then we'll go give them like one or two gifts and it's a very special experience.

Cam: 7:54

I mean more so from the parents than the kids. I mean, the kids are excited to get their gifts, but the parents just they now have this full-blown christmas for their family. Oh, yeah, yeah. And so more details. I mean those that are a part of Neuromastery will be able to participate in every activity. If you want to participate in the donation. There'll be more to come on that once we know our family and we'll share about the details of the family and what we're doing. But yeah, so that's what's upcoming to Neuromastery.

Brock: 8:20

Big thing, so it's a lot of fun. I I really love it and and, and you know those connecting conquers just so you know.

Brock: 8:27

They're like 20 bucks, yeah, and like to go to ash and ice and it's not always there, but I'm just just an example. Like it's 35 just to go there for a day. Yes, it's like not only are you we, we just do it to cover across so that way we can go and experience it with you guys, but we want to give you and provide as much value as we possibly can with high caliber people that are in those saunas and and also the the experience you're able to have, where you're able to really connect with people that are there and wanting to grow and and you have that positivity surrounding you um, let's move on.

Cam: 8:59

Uh, another thing we want to do is I want to. I mean, if you guys know already, brock's always on a training plan. There's no off season. So, um, I want you to talk about your training. I want you to talk about the challenges. We talked about the iron man that you just did. It's two weeks later and this guy has already done a 50 mile week, which I probably haven't done in the last year and a year and a half. So, dude, I I'm mixed. I mean, I want to leave it up to you, but why the heck did you just run 50 miles two weeks after doing the Ironman?

Brock: 9:31

No, I did it the week. I ran the Ironman. Oh, okay, Okay dude Sorry. Why the?

Cam: 9:37

heck, are you doing that, dude?

Brock: 9:39

So I finished the Ironman.

Cam: 9:42

Okay.

Brock: 9:42

And I had three days of I didn't know what to do with myself. I made a post about it on Instagram where I basically just ranted, because it is the oddest feeling after filling a race, like you're proud of your accomplishment but you're also like now what I don't know if I did enough, did I work hard enough? Did I get the goal that I wanted? Am I feeling good about myself? And you, did I get the goal that I wanted? Am I feeling good about myself? You kind of feel insecure, but you also feel confident at the same time. I went through about three days of that of just wrestling in my head If what I was doing was enough or should I push further. Just out of the sky fell into my lap this opportunity to run a race that will change a lot for me. So, um, the hurt 100, okay is is a race in oahu, hawaii all right it usually takes about five years to get into the race.

Brock: 10:34

It's a long time because a lot of people want to run it and they only accept 130 runners so, so well, just to pause there, you have to have had run 100 miles before, right yeah? To be entered. And then it's I think it's 50 and above 50, and above, and then you.

Cam: 10:50

It's like a, a lottery, a lottery, yeah.

Brock: 10:53

So you get put in a lottery and usually like the more years you put in, the more likely you are to get pulled out, because you get more entries, Got it. So I put in just to like start the process and I was like maybe one year I'll go run it. And I didn't pull out right off the beginning. But I guess some people dropped out and then my waitlist number came up and they sent me an email and said hey, Brock, you're in.

Cam: 11:17

Okay.

Brock: 11:18

And I and I immediately I call Kelsey, I call Cam, I do this whole thing and like here I am wrestling with my mind of not knowing how I feel and just kind of. They call them the post-race blues. You really, it's a real thing and it happens just about every time. Now this popped into my lap. I call them and they're like we support you. And there was a bit more to that conversation. I'll share that in a second. It was like we support you and I was like done, purchased, so so I will be running 100 miles on january 17th january 17th hurt 100.

Brock: 11:59

then just so you know about the hurturt 100, it is the top 10 hardest ultramarathon in the world and it is 26,000 feet of elevation on some of the most rugged terrain you can get into because you are climbing over roots there, mud. It is a hard course. It's very steep 20-mile loop, so I'll run it five times there and around.

Cam: 12:23

Well, just to put in perspective the, the hundred mile you did down and um, where was it? Moab, moab, how many feet of elevation was that?

Brock: 12:32

so it had 11,000 feet of elevation 26.

Brock: 12:35

This is 26 more than double yeah, which doesn't necessarily mean harder, but it does mean different training. Yeah, because that one, like the canyon lens, was tough because it was, it wasn't steep enough to where you needed to like like climb it with your like, where you stop and walk and kind of power climb, but it was, and so it was shallow enough to where you ran the whole time throughout the whole hundred and it was steep enough to where it still wrecked your legs. This one you're gonna have to kind of power climb and have poles and be able to push your way through and and some of that's going to be a part of it, and so, um, I mean it'd be nice and in some shape. It can be nice in some shape and it can be brutal in others, like it's gonna. It's gonna be steep climbs and steep declines.

Brock: 13:17

The difficulty of this course is the terrain is very technical. You will be running over big roots, you will be in mud that's up to your ankles, where it will pull your shoes off, and you'll be doing about, I think, over the transcourse of it all. You'll do about 20 river crossings more or less. That sounds kind of fun, and so it has a lot of elements. It has a longer time cap, so you have 36 hours to finish it Okay. And then the other problem or difficulty with this one is training. I have to train in the snow elevation, which means I've got to be in the mountains and I've got to do it. I only have two and a half months to prep, and so that part of it is also a bit of a challenge, as I'm looking forward into what we're about to go into.

Cam: 14:06

There'll be more to come on this training. I mean, let's put it in perspective. He ran the race October 29th, 7th, 7th and you got the email, like the next week, monday, tuesday. So it's like end October, 1st November, which is two and a half months away from this 100 miler, and he calls me and I'm just like dude, you are effing crazy. But I mean, we talked about it Like it's like, and that's one thing that I really admire about Brock is just his ability to make decisions quickly and to make them in a place that doesn't come from a place of scarcity or fear.

Cam: 14:47

Like when he called me, he's just like look, I want to do this. Like what do you think? And it's. I mean, I know there's probably parts of you that are fearful, but you're like I want to do this, but I want to make sure it's aligned with what we're trying to do, and we had an honest conversation but at the end of the day, it was well. I shouldn't say at the end of the day, it was well. I shouldn't say at the end it was a like not the right path. But what I'm trying to say is like either way, you made a decision and you made it quickly and that's the thing, um, and it's it's for you, it's for your brand and it's it's gonna grow us. But it's just, it was, it was just awesome that I I'm kind of of spinning in circles here, but I guess, to wrap it up, like just how quickly you're able to make decisions and it's just amazing we're moving.

Brock: 15:36

We're moving. We got big things and I'm excited for this one. It will be cool to have that experience and I have already learned a lot from this training and I know there's every training. There's always so many things to learn and so I'm excited for that. So many audio books, you know and another thing is is. We've talked about energy exchanges on this podcast before and I had promised Kelsey at the first of the year that I was going to take her to Hawaii.

Cam: 16:01

Yeah, and honestly it wasn't.

Brock: 16:02

It wasn't looking like I was going to do it. It just didn't seem to make sense. It didn't seem like we'd have the time it was. We were trying to fit it in with everything and it was just you're very focused on growing neuromastery, yeah, and things like that.

Brock: 16:14

We have summit and um, all these things going on, and it was just like I don't know if it's gonna work. And then, all of a sudden, it was, like you know, this particular race is the one that accepted us in hawaii, where I had promised her we would go, and at that particular time when we would be going anyways, and so it was, like you know, there was an energy exchange that has to say like, hey, I am worthy of the goals that I set and I am worthy of being able to pursue these and even though it may be a risk, even though it's scary and I don't know what's going to happen, I think it was a sign from the universe saying are you willing to do what it takes to achieve your goals? Because I think the universe tests us.

Brock: 16:56

It doesn't always just give us everything on a silver platter. It gives us opportunities to take advantage of, and then it's our job to either take advantage and dive headfirst or to be scared and run away. Take advantage and dive headfirst or to be scared and run away. And so I took this as an opportunity for me to do what I say I was going to do show up for Kelsey and be able to accomplish my goals as far as building neuromastery, building myself and also growing myself from the inside out. I think it's a wonderful opportunity, and another cool thing is is Kelsey dived in headfirst with me too.

Brock: 17:30

This is going to be one of the most meaningful races I think I'll ever have, because she's going to run the last 20 miles with me. I've never had a race where she running. It does not come naturally to Kelsey, nor does she like it. She's not necessarily passionate about it. She loves CrossFit it. She's not necessarily passionate about it, she loves CrossFit.

Brock: 17:52

And you know, we, we sat down and we just thought one of the most bonding things we ever did was so Kelsey was about eight months pregnant and she ran with me for the four by four, by 48. And I was running the four miles and she was on a bike almost for every single mile. Eight months pregnant, it was very uncomfortable, but she wanted to be there by my side, and I think that was one of the things that bonded us more than anything else. And so she started training. She's out there running and she's going to run this last 20 miles and she'll cross that finish line with me and I think that will be an amazing moment for us to have conquered so much. We've gone through so many things together trying to build this company, trying to build each other. You know, growing our marriage, growing our life, growing our family. This will be a wonderful opportunity for us to be able to conquer together.

Cam: 18:41

Yeah, I agree, I'm excited to see it and Kelsey's training, so love it. Let's shift gears, one of the things we want to start doing. And just a quick plug and a good reminder, and I actually have something to share with this as well. But anyways, you posted something in your story this week with the election and, I'll be honest, I was anxious election night and even the next day, like I mean, it is a big event, right, and it it's the leader of our country and you know, policies and different things that are put in place like, um, in a lot of ways dictate some of the things that happen in this country.

Cam: 19:25

And I was feeling anxious, like I mean I, and just the next day even, like I just wanted to see how people are reacting, like what was going on, like and it drained me. I was, I was pretty drained and um one. But anyways, you posted something and I want you to talk about this a second, because sometimes and honestly, in those two days, I I gave too much energy and too much almost respects the lack of a better term but just I put too much of how I was feeling or what's in my control into that election and you posted something. I want you to talk about this for a second, just for two, three minutes.

Brock: 20:02

Yeah, well, I noticed the climate of the room that I was around. People were scared. People were talking about how much it was going to affect them and what they were going to be able to do with their life and how many things that it was going to change for them and how much they relied on somebody else to be able to create their reality for them. And one thing that I believe is the most important thing that needs to change is the person looking back at you in the mirror.

Brock: 20:30

Yes, who is our president is important and can make a difference, but as long as there's freedom in this country, we have every opportunity to make a difference, and it starts from the inside out, not the outside in. No president is going to change everything for you. You need to change everything from you from the inside out, and I think that's what's most important is, if we can start to look inward rather than outward, then we can make massive change. If you can affect the people around you, if you can affect those that are closest to you and start to be the person that you want to, somebody you're proud of, where you're going out doing things that matter most to you, things that matter most to you and and you can really look yourself in the eyes in the mirror and see that person looking back of somebody you're proud of, then I think that's what matters most.

Cam: 21:16

It takes me back to an episode we did when fears of a looming recession were kind of in the midst and I I shared a quote in a podcast from Walt Disney where he talked about hey, I've decided that I heard there's going to be a recession. I've decided not to participate, and more so than anything, like our focus and our attention dictates our reality.

Cam: 21:49

Things that could be happening in the world, like there are also opportunities, that if we keep our focus and, like we tell the universe we want something, opportunities and things will come into play. And it's the greatest personal limitation and this is a quote from, uh, richard brandler the greatest personal limitations are not found in the things that we can and can't do, but in things that we've never considered doing, and so so that goes as far as focused attention. So, anyways, that was just something to share. I hear some background on our mic. Give me just one second. I'm gonna see if I can fix this.

Brock: 22:21

So, in short, the important thing here is, I think what's most important is realizing that you are the change you want to see in the world. Be the change you want to see in the world. Stop waiting for somebody else to solve your problems. That was one of the hardest lessons that I had to learn, and it begins with you and then it bleeds into your families and into the rest of the people that surround you, and I think that that's where we can create massive change in this world on a generational level.

Cam: 22:48

I agree we can create massive change in this world on a generational level, I agree. So, moving forward and kind of just the last thing that I want to open up to is work-life fitness balance. I mean here you have, you know, I know things with you. I mean you work a ton, you try to spend as much time with Kelsey and you're training like three hours a ton. You try to spend as much time with Kelsey and you're training like three hours a day. And so I mean I'm curious to hear like how do you balance all those things? How do you grow all of them? How, like? I actually have a specific question, but I mean just first off, like what would you say to that?

Brock: 23:24

Just point to like the biggest thing that I've learned is the biggest source of unhappiness is through unmet expectations with your family, with your work and with yourself. And so the first thing is I don't really believe in balance. I believe in harmony, finding peace with where your feet are. The worst thing that I watch people do all the time is they try to put they're at work thinking about home, they're at home thinking about the gym and they're at the gym thinking about work, and they sit there in that cycle every single day to where they're never where their feet are. And so balance is a myth. If you think that you're going to be able to have ample amounts of time for everything in the day and still be able to relax and have energy for it all, you're going to set yourself up for failure every single time. And so the biggest thing that I try to do with myself is set proper expectations where I know I'm going to be gone most of the morning, and setting that expectation with Kelsey, so where she knows that I'm kind of going to be most of the morning, because if me and her are both in harmony with that decision, even though it may not be ideal, at least there's still unity in what we're doing together and she can support that.

Brock: 24:31

And then when I'm at work, you know same thing. I'm not going to let my workouts bleed into my work and there are boundaries there of when I need to switch from what. At what point, like, do I need to cut a workout short? And so when I'm at work that way, I'm not thinking about my workout and I'm not in my workout thinking about work. I am where my feet are and I also have proper expectations with you, with Kelsey and everybody who works with us, that these are my work hours, this is when I'm willing to make things happen and this is when I'm not. And so that way there's healthy boundaries there and expectations.

Brock: 25:02

Kelsey knows pretty much every single night when I will be home and that when I'm home I'm present, even if I'm tired. If I'm going to go out and do this extreme training and I'm going to be out there all morning long, that when I come home in the night I better have a dang lot of energy to give to her. And sometimes that's hard because I'm tired. I worked hard and I put in all this work and effort, but I know I need to show up for her and I know I need to show up for summit, and so I make sure that when I come home I re, I evaluate myself to where it's like, okay, can I bring the energy to them and be able to give in that moment.

Cam: 25:38

Because if that's not the case, then I need to tone down my training, like if, if, if it does end up taking from that area and I can't give that, then I need to pull back because I won't be in harmony, I will be out of balance because, yeah, life at home is something that's important to you and, uh, yeah, like and I was just gonna ask that, right, I was just gonna ask, sorry, our feedback and our mic is because that was one of the questions I was gonna ask you brock, like, what, if, what, if you could not be fully present, what would you do? I mean, I mean you answer that right is you would tow down the training because it's all those things are important to you and if one is going to eat into the other one, the harmony, the harm, the harmonious of it, or whatever you'd say, like that one's got to go down that was a shame.

Cam: 26:26

Are there seasons, so like? Let me ask you this, like is there a time where you feel like it's important to tone down your training and give more to like relationships or things like that, or like are there seasons to this? Oh, for sure, and expectations as well. Do expectations? Is it always set no matter what? Or can those change depending on the stage of life you are and your goals and different things like that?

Brock: 26:49

Yeah, they can definitely change. So just to go back to your question that you were going to ask, because I think there's an important principle that I didn't touch on it in the specificity of it Priorities is how I gauge that my priority of Kelsey and the family comes before my training. Does that make sense? Does that make sense, like, when I look at my priorities I have them set in a way to where I'm the first priority, because I believe that if I'm not okay, I can't give anything to the family and the rest of them, and so I put myself to where I do need time for me to be able to be okay and train and be healthy and strong so I can give them that energy when I am home, and so that's important.

Brock: 27:27

But number two comes my family home, and so that's important, but number two comes my family, and so it if, if that, if my training of extreme, because, like, I don't need to go run 100 miles to be healthy and to be able to give that energy. You know, a simple 30 minute run and a 45 minute workout would do the trick and I would be able to have everything that I could need. Yeah, and and so going to the extremes of it isn't necessary, but there are certain baselines and standards that I set. That is like, okay, this is non-negotiable, because I need this to be able to give to you. So that's where Kelsey and the family comes next, and then my job and then my training like going to the extremes. So training would be number four on that list.

Cam: 28:10

And you mean training as far as like races and challenges. Yeah, races, challenges, fitness and working out will always be number one.

Brock: 28:17

Being healthy, being healthy, right Right, healthy, which is part of it.

Brock: 28:21

Yeah, yeah, which is a part of it, but it doesn't have to be this extreme thing that I'm doing thing that I'm doing.

Brock: 28:31

It just is right now because, like you said, it is a season of my life and I feel very strong, my body feels very capable, I feel like I have every opportunity to go out there and enjoy what this world has to offer, and I want to go see all of it. And so, right now, this is an amazing opportunity for me to test my body, to be able to test my mind, prove what I'm teaching in neuromastery and be able to show that these principles actually work, like you can go further, farther, faster than you ever thought possible, and it helps me feel capable and strong in my own skin, which I think brings a lot of value to those around me. And so part of that is like, yes, this is the season where I am testing myself and I've done it very densely in the last little bit. Does that mean it will last forever? I don't think so. Am I going to ride this thing till the wheels fall off?

Cam: 29:16

Probably, um, but I'm not saying that, kelsey, joining you now but I'm not saying that that's for everybody.

Brock: 29:23

Yeah, it is for me right now because, like what we preach in neural mastery, right is that we can reform, restructure and get your brain to work for you rather than against you. That when you find peace, when what you do, what you think and what you say are all the same, that taking on challenges becomes darn near inevitable. And so I want to show that and live what I preach by doing these challenges. And that helps me, like, show, like, look.

Brock: 29:48

These principles do work, and I'm the number one advocate of this program because look what it's doing for me. That doesn't mean everybody needs to go run their 100-mile race, but it does mean that you can take on the challenges in your own life, whether that be in your relationships with your wife, whether that be in your personal life or even going out, taking on your own mental health, your job, everything. All of us have challenges that we're trying to face and mountains to climb, and when we can find that peace and alignment, then we can go out there and take them on and be able to handle them. And so I hope that when I'm out there taking on these challenges right now, because this is a season for me that it shows that that's possible for you too.

Cam: 30:28

It's just depending on what you want in your life and you're essentially saying, with your training and what you do, is it, it's? It's a testament, it's a that you can go after your dreams and find harmony with the other things in life as well while going after your dreams yes, and that's how I find balance, but just some practical tools that you can take home with you.

Brock: 30:48

Very easily is like I time block my day, and so that's how I have these boundaries set to where I know how much time I have to train, I know how much time I have in the afternoon and to work, and I know how much time I have in the night with the family. And Kelsey can expect that, you can expect that and I can expect that. And so there's these proper expectations with those around me, to where you can pretty much predict where I'm at at any given point in the day.

Brock: 31:11

Like I am the most predictable person you'll ever meet, because it's just, it's pretty easy to know what.

Cam: 31:16

I'm doing. You want mobetas for lunch? You're going to get double terry. You know, you're going to get one yobo and one teriyaki sauce.

Brock: 31:22

Yeah, I mean, and if you, hang out with me long enough.

Brock: 31:25

You'll see that Like it's just, it's pretty basic. Like I try to give myself three hours in the morning to exercise, and then Saturdays as long as I need, and then, as far as with work, I work after that and typically I'm done with work at 6 or 7 in the afternoon or in the night and then I come home and I give the rest of that to Kelsey and I'm in bed by 9 pm. Like that's my day pretty much every single day, unless some asteroid hits the earth and I can't right, or. Or there is like family circumstances where they need me somewhere and then I, but even if I stay up late, like I am up at 5 am yeah, or my anniversary.

Brock: 32:04

Like I am up at 5 am, though like even when I, when I'm up late, I'm still like if one of those crazy events happen and I have to stay up late, I will be up at 5 am.

Cam: 32:15

Okay, I got a question for you what if your expectations like what if you guys don't agree on your expectations? Like what if a couple like talking about family, like they think it's too much or they think you should do it differently, they don't feel like you're giving enough? Like what do you do then? Because there's probably going to be sometimes, and especially you know things change, your goals change. Like what if expectations? You need to create new expectations and your significant other or business partner is not necessarily aligned with that? Yeah, like, how do you?

Brock: 32:50

go through that. I mean, that's happened. Iron man training, that was three, four hours a day, right. So that took me way out of whack with it and Kelsey was like I don't see you, because I would go triathlon train, she would go to her CrossFit class, and then I wasn't home until 7 30 every day, and so she was like where are you, you know, and and so that that has happened and, honestly, it comes down to priorities and and having those set straight. If, if kelsey were to ask me, as long as it's within reason, that it was too much, she comes first, it's an easy decision I would.

Cam: 33:32

I would pull back but like how do you define? How do you help someone? Because a lot of this can come out like and I don't necessarily want to use just you and kelsey as an example, but let's, let's say someone's working too much and the wife feels insecure, doesn't feel connection, doesn't feel these things, and like you're spending too much time at work, but maybe like when is too much time? Like who did time? Who determines too much time? Who you know what? What does that mean? And are there other opportunities? That like does that mean you know the, the dad or, let's say, the person working might feel like they need to do those things and they're putting in extra work and they're really proud of what they're doing.

Cam: 34:12

But then the spouse is like no, that's too much. So is the answer always less time? Is it more present time? Is it doing different things? Is it establishing date nights? There's so much that goes into it and a lot of it can be just out of maybe anger, right, or like sometimes out of anger or out of fear, or out of lack, or like, how do you get both sides of the party in a resourceful state to be able to create meaningful change, meaning connections and coexist? It's tough, right.

Brock: 34:52

Yeah, and there's two answers to that. If you have the same goals, you should make the same decision. So when there's a disagreement, it should come from a place of misinformation, not a place of emotion, like if it's coming from a place of anxiety.

Brock: 35:10

even if you did give them the time, it wouldn't help right, and so that's that's where you have to look at that situation and saying, okay, is it a place of emotion and anxiety or is it a place of ration? Because if your goal is the same, like if you and your partner whoever you're with like, if the vision is the same, then you would make the same decision. That's why when I I call Kelsey about a hundred mile race, she's maybe not stoked about it, but she knows the vision and she's bought into the vision and she knows what we're trying to create, and so it makes it very easy to say yes. And so that's where we and we've had extensive talks about the vision of our life. And that doesn't mean it's always easy, that doesn't mean it's always convenient, but we know why we're doing what we're doing, and so there's harmony there. And so that's where you need to connect to that vision, and so that way you're both aligned there, because and know each other's visions as well, exactly Because then you can start to just work backwards and say does it fit? And if it doesn't fit, then you're just trying to force something. Right, right, no, that makes sense.

Brock: 36:11

And then the you know time. Everybody says that time is the most valuable resource, but I don't believe that Attention is, and so, yeah, if you're out there gone all day working and then you come home and go straight to bed and don't talk to anybody and don't give them your attention, you don't see your kids, you don't see your wife, then it's like, well, who are you in that place? Like, relationships take time and effort, and that doesn't always mean more time, it just means quality that when you are there, you have attention like I think anybody that's married could could relate to. This is where you've gone out on a date, you've spent the entire day together and you feel more distant than when you started.

Cam: 36:50

Yeah, but then there's other dates, days where you spend 10 minutes with each other and it feels like you've completely connected so, based on what you're saying, I feel like under like having a combined vision and talking about it frequently and understanding each other's visions frequently isn't very important. You have verbal expectations. You talk about these things. You talk about why you're doing them, how they connect to the vision, why you feel like it's important and when, if you do have a disagreements, it needs to be approached at a time when both people are in a good emotional state and like be able to and try to come at it as a win-win and ecological. I want the best for you when the best for you want the best for me. We have the best for each other. How do, how do we make this work?

Brock: 37:38

Yeah exactly.

Brock: 37:39

And I think that solves a lot of problems, because think of how many men specifically don't know their wife's dreams, don't know their aspirations, don't know what they want. Haven't had those conversations Because it's so easy to get caught up in the day-to-day life where those just get overlooked. But it is so important because that's where most fights and arguments are going to come from is a place where you feel misunderstood. You feel like they don't see you. They don't understand what you want and they don't understand how to help you because they don't see you. But if you understand their goals, dreams and aspirations, a lot of times it's very easy when you're in an argument to understand where they're coming from, because if you had the same information as they did, you would make the same decision. You would be just as mad as they are, because you're coming from a place of and that's where you can logically be able to sit with them. It's like, okay, what information are you working with, what information am I working with and how can we come together to create this vision?

Cam: 38:37

Yeah, 1,000%. One thing I would say specifically in work that I feel like has helped me is a shutdown routine, so like when my work is, a lot of times I'll end up work and have unread emails, unread text messages, tasks that I didn't do, and it's just like, oh, I'm like it's been such a busy, and then you just stop work and then you go home but you don't psychologically disconnect from work and so having a shutdown where it's like taking time, are there any emails that I need to answer really quickly? Is there any text messages that I can respond to in the next two minutes? To just shut down for work and then moving any tasks to the next day and saying in your mind or rehearsing, or even saying out loud like I'm shutting down for the day, work is done. This is what I did, I'm proud of my work, it's done and kind of having that psychological shift in just with yourself, like I'm moving on.

Brock: 39:33

Yeah, and that's very powerful with the brain. One of the reasons that I bought an office when me and Kelsey were in the early stages of neuromastery was because I want a dedicated space for work. I'm not trying to bleed family into work, but I also wanted to be able to go home and dedicate time to her, and so what I do is like, when I'm time blocking, I have specific places, areas and things that are dedicated to that specific task, like bedtime. I do not mix anything else with the bed, um, besides what they call the big o.

Brock: 40:04

I don't know what that means the big um, and so that that's it, though nothing else in there. I have a place where I eat food nothing else there. I have a place where I relax, nothing else there. I have a place where I work nothing else there. I have a place where I run. I, I know my courses, I know where I run, I train, and then I also have dedicated time for that, and then I also have dedicated time to kelsey. It's like okay, this is my space, my house is my dedicated space to you. I'm not going to bring work here, I'm gonna. I'm going to dedicate this to you and so that way, there's there. There's no bleeding of those things. She knows she has my undivided attention. Like kelsey can basically say yeah, like in my free time, she's the one who books it out, not me yeah, that's not in a bad way.

Brock: 40:53

I like it that way because it's her time.

Cam: 40:55

It's like I I'm here for you, I have my time well, I even know if I text you during work, I mean text you about work after, or even on the weekends like you're typically don't respond, or let's talk, let's just talk about this tomorrow, like you're not gonna let that. But if I'm like, hey, let's go to dinner, that's different conversation after work, right, and you're you're. But if it comes to work and we're texting about it, it's like, oh, let's talk about this later. I'm not, I'm not in the zone to work, you know, and even on the weekends, like we don't, you and I don't talk a lot about work on the weekends nope, not unless you call me on one of my long runs, then maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah anyway.

Cam: 41:31

So now I love that. Anything else you want to share before we wrap up today?

Brock: 41:35

yeah. So just to review, the biggest things that I would set is one create a vision with the people around you so they know. Two set proper expectations of what that's going to be. Four prioritize or three, prioritize, yeah, make a priority, make like priority, but like one, two, three, four Know what your priorities are in order, because your time will go where your priorities are. So that way you do pre-make decisions. So when the tough one does come where you're like, oh, do I choose my wife or my work it's like I know that decision Right. Or my training or my wife, like I know that decision. And then, four time, block your day. Set time apart in the morning for you, Set time for work, set time for family. It doesn't have to be in that order, um, it doesn't, that doesn't matter as much, but make sure they're dedicated time and don't let them bleed.

Brock: 42:24

Yep, stop the bleeding say that in football, stop the bleeding.

Cam: 42:27

Stop the bleeding, all right. Well, we'll see you next week on the brain freeze podcast.